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Chapter 2: A*4*J
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A*4*J is a known associate of syetenb who at first pretended that they did not know each other, presumably to gain more credibility when agreeing with each other. Unlike syetenb, A*4*J did make some effort to make it appear as though he was scanning his posts for nonsense before hitting the Enter button. Sadly, this appearance only delayed the discovery that he has exactly the same opinions, for exactly the same reasons, as syetenb. He left the site before he could be banned, as syetenb was.
This is a screenshot of a post made by A*4*J on The Other Zone, in the middle of a discussion we were having about god.
I post this so you can see that I've not screwed around with it, or changed the text to make him look stupid. I merely illuminated what was already there. My response is in text format, because frankly it's easier to read. This is what I said, quoting each line of his post on my response.
Ok Solo, I am not being overly sensitive here, I have debated people with far harsher words and less rationale than you.
I don't doubt it. I bet you're quite the raconteur when you're dealing with people with less rationale than me.
But I refuse to even engage in conversation with you from now on unless it's in person, or over the phone*1.
In person? Over the phone? Seriously. Dude. INTERWEBZ. Get over yourself. I am in my hole*2 phoning you.
You can hide behind your computer all you want and make all the statements that you want about Christianity, but you are crossing the line*3 with the last few.
Oh no. What are you going to do? Smite me?
Don't quote Romans? Adam and original sin a problem? Jesus "noble" sacrifice. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANITY any more than I understand the digestive system of a platypus.
Oooh. Touched a nerve have I? I know all about your Christianity. Clearly, you don't know nearly as much as you think - I don't know where you got that origin-of-logic stuff, but it's not in my bible.
If you can humble yourself and TRULY want to understand Christianity, I'll meet you in person and deal with your arguments.*4 Start at Genesis 1 and explain all the through the Bible.
Who the fuck do you think you are to explain anything to me? You arrogant sanctimonious person.*5
At the end of it all you can decide what you think when you have a proper overview and Christian understanding of it.
I don't need you, or anyone else, to explain Christianity to me, mate. I know all about it.
I'm sick of your arrogance and your dismissiveness of even SOME valid questions.
Well the only reason I'm not dismissing all your questions is because I feel that there might be the germ of a good idea there. But you consistently disappoint. That last bit from Romans. For shame, dude. For shame.
You are not a good defender of your position....FACT....
Further evidence that you've not actually been reading my posts. There is no position to defend. One cannot defend something that isn't.*6 It would be like me pointing to a wall and asking what you thought of the picture I didn't paint. It's total nonsense.
and you are ad hominem filled and honestly quite obnoxious.
What? Did you seriously expect me to lie down, present my hindquarters, and beg you to explain your vision of Christianity? Wake up and smell the carnival.
Bet Taz a fiver that I won't be back on here if you wish!*7
Fuck that. I have my fiver. I'm going shopping.
I wish I didn't keep coming back, but part of my heart and conscience burns in frustration and honestly
Hah - internet disease. You're just a guy who can't say no.
...pity for your world without a God and a proper of understanding of logic and reason.
Oh yeah, but I'm the arrogant one? Self-righteous twat.
So, I may be back, but I do beg of you, meet in person bring your allies/books/friends/gun even!!! and we'll go from there.
I don't do guns. I'll leave that to your NRA pals*8 in America.
I'm tired of all this forum babble.
Hah. Owned.
We can all hide behind a computer, lets see how you are face to face.
INTERWEBZ!! You are clearly the type of person who believes that the world is six thousand years old.*9 I don't need any more of those in my life, thanks.*10
And I mean that in a compassionate and genuine sense.
No you don't, you lying bastard. You want to convert me to your stupid religion so you get extra brownie points with your non-existent god so you can go to your non-existent heaven.
I don't want to fight
Well then don't make dumbass posts in religion threads on the internet.
I just want to discuss and be rational/logical. You need a Saviour, and His name is Jesus Christ. More than that, you need to use your GOD GIVEN intellect.
How do you think I became an atheist? I started using my intellect.*11 Do you realise how many really stupid people are Christians? I'm not saying you're one of them, although you may be the only person in the history of the planet to read Ludwig Wittengenstein's "Philosophical Investigations"*12 and miss the whole point of the thing, at least you try.
Contact me by email/PM! in fact, Taz may even have my phone number.*13 I'll PM it to either of you should you so wish.
You have nothing of any value to say to me. I had such high hopes for you, A*4*J. You know, every Christian that wanders in here, I see them as a lost sheep. They have all the basic information in their heads to be able to understand the truth, but they've just lost their way. They just need a little nudge in the right direction. But occasionally you come across the sheep that is determined to run off the cliff - no little nudges for him.
All i can do is show you the door, A*4*J. Only you can open it.
Till we meet in person or can at least hear each others voices,*14
There's not enough acid in the world to make that an attractive prospect.
*1All through this merry dance, and in previous messages, he asked to talk to me on the phone, or in person. I have no idea where his obsessions with talking to me personally came from, but as you shall see, it became more and more sinister.
*2For the non-Irish people, "I am in my hole" means "There is no way in hell that I am". It doesn't mean anything else.
*3I made a joke about What have Romans ever done for us? that obviously went completely over his head. I also simplified the Christian position of Jesus redeeming our sins (brought onto us by Adam in the garden of Eden) with his "noble sacrifice". I'm not sure why he's arguing with this, because that's pretty much what they believe.
*4Again with the meeting in person, and the "explaining", as though my problem with insanity is that I just don't understand it enough.
*5I was tired of dealing with this guy's patronising crap. Between him and syetenb, this represents restraint. The "arrogant sanctimonious person" bit was a paraphrase of something from the other Monty Python movie, The Holy Grail.
*6Efforts to explain basic principles of logic proved, unsurprisingly, unfruitful. I kept trying to explain that it's impossible to prove that something isn't. It's not that I can't do it - it's actually logically impossible. It's like criticising a stone because it keeps falling to the ground. Stay up, you fool! In other messages, both A*4*J and syetenb made frequent misuse of quite simple concepts such as begging the question and ad hominem.
*7A*4*J made repeated promises that he would not return to the thread, such was the nature of his disdain for my posts. However, as if to underline what a lying sack of shit he is, he kept coming back. It got to the poing where I made a joke that I bet Taz (the owner of the site) five euros that A*4*J would return to spray his manly musk on the topic once more.
*8I was making the connection between those who hold the sort of batshit-insane relgious views and members of the National Rifle Association in the US, i.e. that they share a profile.
*9The only thing that slowed down syetenb's bullshit tsunami was forcing him to admit that he thought the universe was 6,000 years old. That's so fucking crazy that it even gives these Christians pause. Not for long, obviously, but it's something. It shows that their brains haven't entirely atrophied.
*10There were some born-again Christians in my town who kept trying to talk to me about Jesus, and so on. Lovely people, but, you know, crazy.
*11Unlike Christians, most atheists aren't brought up as atheists. Sometimes it can be quite a wrench to realise that the whole thing is bullshit.
*12He claimed he studied philosophy in Germany, or German philosophy, or something, but when references were made to Wittgenstein in the broadest of ways, he had no idea what I was talking about. Either he's lying about being familiar with German philosophy or he is, in fact, that stupid.
*13His eagerness to speak to me personally was becoming a real concern for me. What if he never got to talk to me? What then!
*14I'm starting to think he's hitting on me.
There's more
For some reason, he didn't get the message. Even after all this (and the above is just a single example of many, many messages that were posted), he sent me the following private message (meaning no one else could see it). I responded as shown. I've deleted his real name from the thing - it's embarrassing enough.
He left the site of his own volition soon afterwards, perhaps smelling a ban on the wind, such as was administered to his friend and partner in crimes against reason, syetenb.
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